Curse

-z|o- · Sep 13, 2005, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

That's all well and good, but screenshots won't stop a scam from happening. The potential for griefing is strongly present.

Perhaps you want to explain what you mean? So far it is nothing but empty words.

As far as the ladder rules go ..

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Gank/rushing - Teams are required to engage each other mid-way prior to making any attack on the Guild Lord

This is a pretty stupid rule if you ask me.

I also hope that the rules are far from being finished becuase there are some "holes" in the and certain issues (updates/skill reblance) arent even covered.

Red Locust · Sep 13, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by -z|o-

Perhaps you want to explain what you mean? So far it is nothing but empty words.

Did you miss my previous post?

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Team 1 enters gvg with 5 people, team 2 enters with 8, and it's gg thanks for rank/faction for team 1.

If you really need more explaining, add this on at the end: team 1 takes a screenshot after match is over, team 2 creates a smurf guild and repeats. It probably wont happen too often unless this ladder really takes off (which I doubt will happen), but "probably won't happen" isn't a good guarantee against griefing.

zehly · Sep 13, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

<flame>I hate people who use forums to advertise their *whatever*. Go someplace else. I thought this was a legitimate post, but I feel defrauded..shafted, and it angers me. And I'm happy about it. Just start it on your own damn forum.</flame>

Stop spamming here.

-z|o- · Sep 14, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Whats wrong with advertising a game ladder on a game related forum as long as the mods dont have a proble with it? So stop trolling, or if you dont like a topic dont read it.

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

If you really need more explaining, add this on at the end: team 1 takes a screenshot after match is over, team 2 creates a smurf guild and repeats. It probably wont happen too often unless this ladder really takes off (which I doubt will happen), but "probably won't happen" isn't a good guarantee against griefing.

This is why you arrange an unrated match and take ss's before the game started. Didnt think it was that hard to figure it out.

Vax · Sep 14, 2005, 01:38 AM // 01:38

To answer most of the questions, or statements

The rules are far from being done yes.. We will have to create new rules as we go along

The anti-gank rule is just made so that you actually have to fight a team on this ladder.. meaning if you want to gank go do a random match that doesnt involve GWL

yes it is up to the 2 teams to do a unrated or a rated battle.. the 8v8 battles wouldnt matter so much with doing a rated (because it would be a normal GvG)
but I do suggest that you do an unrated battle for the 5v5 ladder

and seriously im getting annoyed with people saying that I should stop advertising here... that is most possibly the stupidest thing ive ever heard anyone say because this site was made for Guild Wars, and this is something that involves Guild wars.. so why would i advertise something that I need to get attention from mass amounts of people by spamming it in game, and not post it on this website? that is retarded...

btw - post on the GWL website for questions about rules, game play, etc..
just saying that because I would prefer to answer questions there and not have to come here every day answering your questions

Xellos · Sep 14, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Anti-Gank? Next your gonna tell people to line up single file and 1v1 it.

-z|o- · Sep 15, 2005, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Vax

The anti-gank rule is just made so that you actually have to fight a team on this ladder.. meaning if you want to gank go do a random match that doesnt involve GWL

I dont think anyone would want to play on a ladder with rules that cannot posible be enforced no monitored.

gg

Vax · Sep 15, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Timer is on the interface
your guild lord is dead within 1 minute...
the team that got ganked screenshots
team that ganked gets warned / forfeits match
gg

MuKen · Sep 15, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

It's your league, you can make whatever crazy rules you want, but if you want it to be taken seriously I suggest you avoid putting in rules banning various strategies just because you don't like them.

trialist · Sep 15, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Why your idea won't work:
1.You don't control the game.
2.Your rules mean jack cause of 1.
3.Screenshots mean jack cause of 1. (Photoshop anyone?)
4.Is everyone gonna sign up? No? Filtered competition pool. (Boring).
5.Again having to do with 1, No iron fisted authority in game to enforce your rules = bitching filled ladder with rule breakers, finger pointers and trigger happy ladder banning mods killing an already less than credible ladder. GG.

Red Locust · Sep 15, 2005, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by -z|o-

I dont think anyone would want to play on a ladder with rules that cannot posible be enforced no monitored.

gg

No kidding, and what was I saying in my last few posts?

Xellos · Sep 15, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Vax

Timer is on the interface
your guild lord is dead within 1 minute...
the team that got ganked screenshots
team that ganked gets warned / forfeits match
gg

How'd you get in Vege if you can't handle ganks?

Vax · Sep 15, 2005, 03:24 AM // 03:24

i can handle being ganked..
but we havent been ganked in Vege (but btw i was kicked because they dont like me :P )

But back with Zealots Vengeance ganking wasnt a problem because we countered each gank

just saying that it would be a better ladder if the teams actually fought each other instead of just trying to end the map in 30 seconds
you can always gank by fighting a random team cant you?

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actually...
since you all seem to like ganking or being ganked
make a poll on the http://mygwl.com website in PvP GW forum
gwl home < forums < guild wars < Guild Wars PvP Discussion
i will start it off for you considering i already have an account and you just vote.. hf

of course if the vote is to remove the anti gank rule then we will do so
and if not? you can just cry i supose

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right if anyone wants to talk to me right now ..
irc.gamesurge.net
#guildwars
#gwguru
just pm me or something idk

trialist · Sep 15, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Vax

actually...
since you all seem to like ganking or being ganked
make a poll on the http://mygwl.com website in PvP GW forum
gwl home < forums < guild wars < Guild Wars PvP Discussion
i will start it off for you considering i already have an account and you just vote.. hf

of course if the vote is to remove the anti gank rule then we will do so
and if not? you can just cry i supose

Wow, way to miss the point entirely. What we are concerned about isn't ganking but that you have absolutely no way at all to enforce any of the "rules" that you have put up. You are relying on people to be good sports and follow your rules like lemmings, but face it this isn't going to happen and rule breakers will exist. Your not having power over the game like anet does means you can't really do jack. It would be like if i buried 1k in my backyard and then put up a sign saying, "don't dig here, there isn't 1k buried here", and i go off to work, good luck if that 1k would still be there a half hour later.

varyag · Sep 15, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Chastising a player for setting up an alternative ladder to ArenaNet's official trainwreck? Only on Guild Wars Guru!

The "official" ladder means nothing, and is in dire need of a frequent reset. This ladder seems like it will only comprise of worthwhile teams, will be adequetely "modded", and better fits the competitive spirit of the game. If my Guild weren't inactive due to college/uni starting, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. Nice one.

Welcome to AngryCluelessPeople's Town, population - most of this forum.

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NO, You may NOT post GuildWars related content on the GuildWars Guru public forums! What was the OP thinking? ROFLCOPTER.
Who cares about trying to constructively criticize a suggestion when we can just FLAME IT!!!!1111 LOLNUKE"

=(

Vax · Sep 15, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by trialist

Wow, way to miss the point entirely. What we are concerned about isn't ganking but that you have absolutely no way at all to enforce any of the "rules" that you have put up. You are relying on people to be good sports and follow your rules like lemmings, but face it this isn't going to happen and rule breakers will exist. Your not having power over the game like anet does means you can't really do jack. It would be like if i buried 1k in my backyard and then put up a sign saying, "don't dig here, there isn't 1k buried here", and i go off to work, good luck if that 1k would still be there a half hour later.

Then.. to fit your argument better I will make a suggestions forum.. You can put up all your suggestions to make the ladder "better" and more fit your desires

Of course .. it would have to be a poll because not just you but the entire public would have to decide the fate of a new rule or an exsisting one...

btw I do wnat to talk to you on IRC so get on
irc.gamesurge.net
#gwguru

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Originally Posted by trialist

Why your idea won't work:
1.You don't control the game.
2.Your rules mean jack cause of 1.
3.Screenshots mean jack cause of 1. (Photoshop anyone?)
4.Is everyone gonna sign up? No? Filtered competition pool. (Boring).
5.Again having to do with 1, No iron fisted authority in game to enforce your rules = bitching filled ladder with rule breakers, finger pointers and trigger happy ladder banning mods killing an already less than credible ladder. GG.

1. I realize I dont control the game... The rules are just there to keep the community in order, and not let things get out of control.. If we didnt have rules it would just be another ladder that Arena Net made (the default), which would be pointless for us to make.
2. Rules keep the community in order and free of anarchy.
3. If screenshots are going to be a problem, then I suggest the other team makes a screenshot too; this would be when both teams start arguing in "All" chat.
4. Its not meant to be a "Filtered" competition.. Everyone is welcome
5 Again not trying to control the game, just trying to keep the community in order.. If there were no rules on the ladder, then it would just be another ladder.guildwars.com .

Spartan2 · Sep 15, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

I don't understand everyone's problem with this. Having played in other leagues, such as TWL and CAL, I do not see why everyone brings up "Filtered" competition.

You can still fight whoever you want, in any way you want.

You will only fight against people who want to compete in an alterior fashion that you wish to partake in (ie Signing up for 5v5 only, 6v6 only, etc.).

If someone happens to break the rules, have everyone on your team screenshot, leave asap, and report. No free faction for them.

I would also highly suggest everyone on your team using Fraps or a variation to record matches unless it would be problematic by causing lag.

The only punishment for someone would be banishment from the league and a sense of blacklisting. Sure, they could come back but they'll be kicked just as fast.

I didn't agree with this idea at first but now that I have reconsidered, I could hardly care less whether someone fights for First Party or Third or both. However, giving them the choice to do more things and play in more varieties is a step in the right direction.

-z|o- · Sep 15, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Vax

Of course .. it would have to be a poll because not just you but the entire public would have to decide the fate of a new rule or an exsisting one...

That is the problem. At this point in time majority is lacking the knowelege of how the game operates. Letting majority decide on what rules are needed and what not has a potential to creating stupid rules like the one i already pointed out. If you still dont understand why this particular rule is ridiculous ill explain.

For one the rule isnt clear enough since you cant really define "mid-way". So just one word could become a reason for multiple disputes. Some people would consider flag stand only to be mid-way, some people would consider it to be anywhere outside guild hall. There is no way to monitor whether or not 2 teams engaged "mid-way" unless you are recording a match. But that would requier everybody demo rec it and not many people capable of it due to hardware/software limitations. Also, would running to the flagstand and wanding somebody once while the rest of you team backdooring be considered engaging? There are some rules that cannot be enforced simply due to game mechanics. And as far as ganking goes, you cant kill GL in reasonable 5 seconds anymore, but thats besides the point.

Btw Vax what is your affiliation with GWL? ... just wonder ...

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

No kidding, and what was I saying in my last few posts?

You were talking specifically about 5vs5 and giving a specific example on how it could be "exploited" on which i commented.

TheRealDecoy · Sep 15, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

A third-party ladder/torunament could be nice, but I think most people would want to wait and see how ANet runs their own tournaments before going off to play in others. Now that I think about it, that's probably one of the reasons ANet has yet to put in Observer Mode. Without it, it's harder for third-party groups to maintain tournaments (it's much easier when you have a tourney admin watching the entire match), so it forces most people to wait until ANet gets their stuff togeather. GG.

Mumblyfish · Sep 15, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by TheRealDecoy

I think most people would want to wait and see how ANet runs their own tournaments before going off to play in others.

Already seen how ANet runs their own tournament, none too impressed.